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		<title>By: &#160; Will the president matter?&#160;by&#160;Devin Reams weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; Will the president matter?&#160;by&#160;Devin Reams weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m excited for this next election. Definitely more than last time where I said &#8216;voting sucks&#8216;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m excited for this next election. Definitely more than last time where I said &#8216;voting sucks&#8216;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Bush, Clinton, Rinse, Repeat&#160;by&#160;Devin Reams weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; Bush, Clinton, Rinse, Repeat&#160;by&#160;Devin Reams weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a cynical guy, at times. I’ve gone so far as to say voting sucks. I’ve never really felt passionate about an election (I can only really remember the last three) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a cynical guy, at times. I’ve gone so far as to say voting sucks. I’ve never really felt passionate about an election (I can only really remember the last three) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Sam. I hope people stumble in here when they start searching Google in a few months and take a look at what you had to say. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Sam. I hope people stumble in here when they start searching Google in a few months and take a look at what you had to say. <img src='http://www.devinreams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sam Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little late, but here is my 2 cents.

Why is voting not only impotent, but redundant?

Simple the term "two party system".  This term is a device thought up by the two dominant (and in all reality only) partys in government.  This is a misleading term that seems to suggest that we only have two choices, democrat and republican.  That is not only false, but a very very dangerous way of thinking.  We keep voting for the same two parties.  Why? How stupid is voting for two parites who keep f***ing us over time and time again.  Its like a teacher asking us a question and we keep guessing A and B over and over again and no matter how many times that answer is wrong, we never try anything else.  So stupid.  But that is part of the term "two party system" and its brainwashing effect.  The news only talks about candidates in those two parties and no-one even thinks there are other choices in most cases.  Campaining is also stupid because the polititians can say what they will and wont do in office, but the fact of the matter is that they will do exactly what their party tells them to do (save the occational vote against their partys favor, that they know is fruitless but gets them something to brag about in the next campaign.)  Why do they do what their party tells them to do?  Because if they dont, they dont push their partys agenda and magicaly they aren't in the primarys next election.  Imagine that.  So your not voting for Obama or Hilary or congessman X, your voting for an agenda pushing committee who use whips and threats of ruining someones career to do the same things every term.  Also why help put these people in office when if some people vote, as opposed to everyone, the outcome WILL be the same, if 40% want candidate X and 60% want candidate Y, it doesn't matter if a thousand people vote or a million vote, the outcome is the same, we get a shitty party's puppet in office either way.

STOP VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, OR DONT VOTE AT ALL.

Nice article btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little late, but here is my 2 cents.</p>
<p>Why is voting not only impotent, but redundant?</p>
<p>Simple the term &#8220;two party system&#8221;.  This term is a device thought up by the two dominant (and in all reality only) partys in government.  This is a misleading term that seems to suggest that we only have two choices, democrat and republican.  That is not only false, but a very very dangerous way of thinking.  We keep voting for the same two parties.  Why? How stupid is voting for two parites who keep f***ing us over time and time again.  Its like a teacher asking us a question and we keep guessing A and B over and over again and no matter how many times that answer is wrong, we never try anything else.  So stupid.  But that is part of the term &#8220;two party system&#8221; and its brainwashing effect.  The news only talks about candidates in those two parties and no-one even thinks there are other choices in most cases.  Campaining is also stupid because the polititians can say what they will and wont do in office, but the fact of the matter is that they will do exactly what their party tells them to do (save the occational vote against their partys favor, that they know is fruitless but gets them something to brag about in the next campaign.)  Why do they do what their party tells them to do?  Because if they dont, they dont push their partys agenda and magicaly they aren&#8217;t in the primarys next election.  Imagine that.  So your not voting for Obama or Hilary or congessman X, your voting for an agenda pushing committee who use whips and threats of ruining someones career to do the same things every term.  Also why help put these people in office when if some people vote, as opposed to everyone, the outcome WILL be the same, if 40% want candidate X and 60% want candidate Y, it doesn&#8217;t matter if a thousand people vote or a million vote, the outcome is the same, we get a shitty party&#8217;s puppet in office either way.</p>
<p>STOP VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, OR DONT VOTE AT ALL.</p>
<p>Nice article btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Neva</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the rubes have had their voice and the ballots from the rigged machines or broken ones are trickling in and wowie, Democrats, creators of procrastination may have a say! But GWB still leads the pack of wolves that devour the starving innocents in this world and the voters have a restfull nights sleep with full tummies. This is voting, American style.  Is everybody happy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the rubes have had their voice and the ballots from the rigged machines or broken ones are trickling in and wowie, Democrats, creators of procrastination may have a say! But GWB still leads the pack of wolves that devour the starving innocents in this world and the voters have a restfull nights sleep with full tummies. This is voting, American style.  Is everybody happy?</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People typically do not pay attention to politics until they want something changed. I am not convinced that many people are any more than apathetic the remainder of the time.

Though, I agree with you Nicole. I largely argue for the sake of arguing and I suppose I could preface that next time. There are many options and for me it will come down to my priorities. Unfortunately politics is not a priority right now because my desired impact can not be achieved.

I can wait..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People typically do not pay attention to politics until they want something changed. I am not convinced that many people are any more than apathetic the remainder of the time.</p>
<p>Though, I agree with you Nicole. I largely argue for the sake of arguing and I suppose I could preface that next time. There are many options and for me it will come down to my priorities. Unfortunately politics is not a priority right now because my desired impact can not be achieved.</p>
<p>I can wait..</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only mentioned a couple recent elections, but if I were to research elections across all states I would find many (perhaps a majority of?) similar elections.  This is empirical evidence not "circumstantial" evidence.

If you do, in fact, have doubt that your vote will *physically* be counted correctly, then that is a problem.  A representational government does not work if it can't be assured that care is given to count votes correctly.  I will admit to having doubts about electronic voting machines.  Thus my Luddite choice to fill out a paper ballot.

Also, because you pay attention to politics only a few weeks a year, do not assume everyone is similar.  Many of us are paying attention *all the time*.

Okay, my real point is that being apathetic doesn't fix the perceived problems you see. Can you encourage non-sucktacular candidates to get involved?  Can you vote when you feel something, anything needs to change?  Can you volunteer at a voting center? Can you vote for a county clerk you trust to count your vote correctly?

I'm frustrated with the state of things as well, but walking away from the system won't make it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only mentioned a couple recent elections, but if I were to research elections across all states I would find many (perhaps a majority of?) similar elections.  This is empirical evidence not &#8220;circumstantial&#8221; evidence.</p>
<p>If you do, in fact, have doubt that your vote will *physically* be counted correctly, then that is a problem.  A representational government does not work if it can&#8217;t be assured that care is given to count votes correctly.  I will admit to having doubts about electronic voting machines.  Thus my Luddite choice to fill out a paper ballot.</p>
<p>Also, because you pay attention to politics only a few weeks a year, do not assume everyone is similar.  Many of us are paying attention *all the time*.</p>
<p>Okay, my real point is that being apathetic doesn&#8217;t fix the perceived problems you see. Can you encourage non-sucktacular candidates to get involved?  Can you vote when you feel something, anything needs to change?  Can you volunteer at a voting center? Can you vote for a county clerk you trust to count your vote correctly?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m frustrated with the state of things as well, but walking away from the system won&#8217;t make it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, apathetic? We pay attention to politics for a few weeks every two or four years. Only then do things suddenly matter? What happens during the rest of the time?

Using circumstantial evidence in a few elections hardly demonstrates the power our votes have. Of course "every vote counts"... if counted correctly. You make your assumptions (my vote will be counted) and I'll make mine (for any vote I don't cast there will be someone else not casting the exact opposite).

Hehe, instead of one red vote and one blue vote we'll just stick to zero for each. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, apathetic? We pay attention to politics for a few weeks every two or four years. Only then do things suddenly matter? What happens during the rest of the time?</p>
<p>Using circumstantial evidence in a few elections hardly demonstrates the power our votes have. Of course &#8220;every vote counts&#8221;&#8230; if counted correctly. You make your assumptions (my vote will be counted) and I&#8217;ll make mine (for any vote I don&#8217;t cast there will be someone else not casting the exact opposite).</p>
<p>Hehe, instead of one red vote and one blue vote we&#8217;ll just stick to zero for each. <img src='http://www.devinreams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure that I want an apathetic person voting anyway, but, I'm going to go ahead and throw out the "lame" flag on this one.  Yeah, that's right.  I'm giving you a lameness penalty (fifteen yards or half the distance to the goal -- whatever is greater).

In a 2002 Senate election in South Dakota, the incumbent squeaked through with only 524 more votes than his opponent.  Each vote is very significant in such races.  And I'm sure there have been closer races.  I would also venture to say that each vote will count in District 4's House Rep race being voted on today.

Sure, some of the candidates as of late have had a major suck factor, but it only gets better when we're involved.  Voting is one way to be involved.

But, you're right -- the representative government (democracy) we have will get better if you aren't an active citizen.  Um, yeah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I want an apathetic person voting anyway, but, I&#8217;m going to go ahead and throw out the &#8220;lame&#8221; flag on this one.  Yeah, that&#8217;s right.  I&#8217;m giving you a lameness penalty (fifteen yards or half the distance to the goal &#8212; whatever is greater).</p>
<p>In a 2002 Senate election in South Dakota, the incumbent squeaked through with only 524 more votes than his opponent.  Each vote is very significant in such races.  And I&#8217;m sure there have been closer races.  I would also venture to say that each vote will count in District 4&#8217;s House Rep race being voted on today.</p>
<p>Sure, some of the candidates as of late have had a major suck factor, but it only gets better when we&#8217;re involved.  Voting is one way to be involved.</p>
<p>But, you&#8217;re right &#8212; the representative government (democracy) we have will get better if you aren&#8217;t an active citizen.  Um, yeah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Neva</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2006/08/09/voting-sucks/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Neva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only breath of hope I get now is with the Revolutionary American Communist Party news email I get regularly.  This group is headed by Bob Avakian who is a clear and concise writer and thinker.  I suggest you all read his book entitled: From Ike To Mao and beyond.  It is a profound looks are where we are headed and what we can do to prevent it.  Also of note here, I suggest reading Those Who Refuse To Vote, a collection of many astute writers on the suject and it is compiled by a person named Watner.  Reading is power and holds answers for action!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only breath of hope I get now is with the Revolutionary American Communist Party news email I get regularly.  This group is headed by Bob Avakian who is a clear and concise writer and thinker.  I suggest you all read his book entitled: From Ike To Mao and beyond.  It is a profound looks are where we are headed and what we can do to prevent it.  Also of note here, I suggest reading Those Who Refuse To Vote, a collection of many astute writers on the suject and it is compiled by a person named Watner.  Reading is power and holds answers for action!</p>
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