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		<title>By: Funner</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>Funner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes! Sometimes I do have driving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes! Sometimes I do have driving!</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1335</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sweet dude! this is is why i am really not excited about ever moving to a big city in my life. traffic in eau claire is perfect...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sweet dude! this is is why i am really not excited about ever moving to a big city in my life. traffic in eau claire is perfect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also just wanted to throw out there that the NPV of saving $700/year in fuel for 10 years is still more than $1000 less than the additional upfront cost of $6500.

Sorry...I promise I'll stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also just wanted to throw out there that the NPV of saving $700/year in fuel for 10 years is still more than $1000 less than the additional upfront cost of $6500.</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230;I promise I&#8217;ll stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add a couple of facts to the flurry of opinions flying back and forth:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ let's you do side by side comparisons of car emissions based on year and model.  Devin's new car is significantly more efficient than his 1994 one.  He's getting roughly 30% more miles to the gallon and his carbon emissions have decreased by over 1.5 tons/year.

I can see the argument progressing to something along the lines of "it's an improvement, but look at it compared to the Prius."  Admittedly, the Prius swings for the fences when it comes to fuel-economy statistics, but I believe that looking at the situation economically makes a difference.

A bit of online price shopping showed that a Prius with the roughly the same options package as Devin's Sentra would be roughly $6,500 more than the Sentra.  If you go back and look at fueleconomy.gov, it gives estimates of the average fuel cost per year for each car.  Comparatively, you'd be spending roughly $1600/year for gas on the Sentra and $900 for the Prius, or saving about $700/year.  So if you net out fuel savings for 2 years, you are still paying over $5100 more for the Prius.  In fact, it would take you over 9.5 years of fuel savings to break even on the increased cost of the car.  And yes, please take number that with a grain of salt because I didn't include fuel cost inflation...sue me, it's a blog comment...:)

So I guess my overall conclusion is that Devin made a pretty solid decision in my book.      Another conclusion I have reached as I write this is that it is perhaps a good thing I don't have many nights of insomnia, because this is slightly ridiculous...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add a couple of facts to the flurry of opinions flying back and forth:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fueleconomy.gov/</a> let&#8217;s you do side by side comparisons of car emissions based on year and model.  Devin&#8217;s new car is significantly more efficient than his 1994 one.  He&#8217;s getting roughly 30% more miles to the gallon and his carbon emissions have decreased by over 1.5 tons/year.</p>
<p>I can see the argument progressing to something along the lines of &#8220;it&#8217;s an improvement, but look at it compared to the Prius.&#8221;  Admittedly, the Prius swings for the fences when it comes to fuel-economy statistics, but I believe that looking at the situation economically makes a difference.</p>
<p>A bit of online price shopping showed that a Prius with the roughly the same options package as Devin&#8217;s Sentra would be roughly $6,500 more than the Sentra.  If you go back and look at fueleconomy.gov, it gives estimates of the average fuel cost per year for each car.  Comparatively, you&#8217;d be spending roughly $1600/year for gas on the Sentra and $900 for the Prius, or saving about $700/year.  So if you net out fuel savings for 2 years, you are still paying over $5100 more for the Prius.  In fact, it would take you over 9.5 years of fuel savings to break even on the increased cost of the car.  And yes, please take number that with a grain of salt because I didn&#8217;t include fuel cost inflation&#8230;sue me, it&#8217;s a blog comment&#8230;:)</p>
<p>So I guess my overall conclusion is that Devin made a pretty solid decision in my book.      Another conclusion I have reached as I write this is that it is perhaps a good thing I don&#8217;t have many nights of insomnia, because this is slightly ridiculous&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 2007 car is considerably more efficient than my 1994 car. In fact, it's more efficient than the majority of the market.

I considered it, ask Rachel, but I can't drive a car like a Prius in Colorado. There's a trade-off between power and efficiency and mountains need power.

I'm an accountant, I have a grasp on my financial decision. ;)

The problem is the economic incentives to switch aren't strong enough. There absolutely &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a demand for environmentally friendly products... that's why it (organic food, organic clothing, hybrid cars) costs more. Look to your government or corporations, they're as much the culprit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 2007 car is considerably more efficient than my 1994 car. In fact, it&#8217;s more efficient than the majority of the market.</p>
<p>I considered it, ask Rachel, but I can&#8217;t drive a car like a Prius in Colorado. There&#8217;s a trade-off between power and efficiency and mountains need power.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an accountant, I have a grasp on my financial decision. <img src='http://www.devinreams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The problem is the economic incentives to switch aren&#8217;t strong enough. There absolutely <em>is</em> a demand for environmentally friendly products&#8230; that&#8217;s why it (organic food, organic clothing, hybrid cars) costs more. Look to your government or corporations, they&#8217;re as much the culprit.</p>
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		<title>By: Modite - Engagement for the next generation</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>Modite - Engagement for the next generation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a mistake, however, because I get miffed when others claim to be environmentalists, and are blatantly not. Like the people who shop at Whole [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a mistake, however, because I get miffed when others claim to be environmentalists, and are blatantly not. Like the people who shop at Whole [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Thorman</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Thorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Don’t get me wrong, I’m very concerned for the environment. I think there are bigger things we can do though."

Ahem. What's a bigger environmental impact than not owning a car? The BIGGEST thing you can do for the environment is to not own a car, or if you must, to make a &lt;em&gt;responsible&lt;/em&gt; purchase. (The second biggest thing you can do is live in a small footprint.)

No offense, Devin. I respect and like you a lot! But you can't say that you are concerned for the environment after you've just bought a 2007 model new car.

I understand that you have a long commute, but we all make choices. If you were really concerned for the environment, getting a new car wouldn't have been a choice you made.

If you were worried about saving money, I think you wouldn't have leased a new car. Leasing is generally a bad financial decision. Investing in a new car at all is one of the worst. You could have found a perfectly suitable, stylish and reliable car for much cheaper.

Hybrids may not save you money right away if you look at it like that, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're not paying for not having a hybrid in so many other ways, including, primarily, economically. The costs to our environment show up in the economic system, and by not creating demand for environmentally friendly products, you are perpetuating a damaged system.

If you're not into the environment, no biggie. Well, it is a biggie, but I won't argue that you should be right now. But don't say that you are, and then make decisions that are so blatantly the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t get me wrong, I’m very concerned for the environment. I think there are bigger things we can do though.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ahem. What&#8217;s a bigger environmental impact than not owning a car? The BIGGEST thing you can do for the environment is to not own a car, or if you must, to make a <em>responsible</em> purchase. (The second biggest thing you can do is live in a small footprint.)</p>
<p>No offense, Devin. I respect and like you a lot! But you can&#8217;t say that you are concerned for the environment after you&#8217;ve just bought a 2007 model new car.</p>
<p>I understand that you have a long commute, but we all make choices. If you were really concerned for the environment, getting a new car wouldn&#8217;t have been a choice you made.</p>
<p>If you were worried about saving money, I think you wouldn&#8217;t have leased a new car. Leasing is generally a bad financial decision. Investing in a new car at all is one of the worst. You could have found a perfectly suitable, stylish and reliable car for much cheaper.</p>
<p>Hybrids may not save you money right away if you look at it like that, but you&#8217;re fooling yourself if you think you&#8217;re not paying for not having a hybrid in so many other ways, including, primarily, economically. The costs to our environment show up in the economic system, and by not creating demand for environmentally friendly products, you are perpetuating a damaged system.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not into the environment, no biggie. Well, it is a biggie, but I won&#8217;t argue that you should be right now. But don&#8217;t say that you are, and then make decisions that are so blatantly the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: elliottcable</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>elliottcable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate driving too. Although I live in Anchorage, Alaska - aka, not the center of world traffic - I still hate driving, in general.

It's such a pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate driving too. Although I live in Anchorage, Alaska - aka, not the center of world traffic - I still hate driving, in general.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s such a pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rebecca:&lt;/strong&gt; Haha, as ScooterScum pointed out and &lt;a href="http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/hybrid-cars-dont-save-you-money-part-ii" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ramit&lt;/a&gt; has at this article, hybrids don't save me money or, in the grand scheme of things, much of the atmosphere. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I'm very concerned for the environment. I think there are bigger things we can do though. I'm the kind of guy who looks at recycling and realizes two milk jugs a week does nothing.. even collectively. Maybe I will look into some credits, &lt;strong&gt;Rachel&lt;/strong&gt;; good thinking.

&lt;strong&gt;Nicole:&lt;/strong&gt; I envy you. Some day I hope to live where I can walk/bike to work every day. So, yes, my first job requires a commute from Broomfield to south Denver. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rebecca:</strong> Haha, as ScooterScum pointed out and <a href="http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/hybrid-cars-dont-save-you-money-part-ii" rel="nofollow">Ramit</a> has at this article, hybrids don&#8217;t save me money or, in the grand scheme of things, much of the atmosphere. <img src='http://www.devinreams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m very concerned for the environment. I think there are bigger things we can do though. I&#8217;m the kind of guy who looks at recycling and realizes two milk jugs a week does nothing.. even collectively. Maybe I will look into some credits, <strong>Rachel</strong>; good thinking.</p>
<p><strong>Nicole:</strong> I envy you. Some day I hope to live where I can walk/bike to work every day. So, yes, my first job requires a commute from Broomfield to south Denver. <img src='http://www.devinreams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.devinreams.com/2007/08/26/do-you-hate-driving/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to nominate my 5 minute bike to work as "the best commute ever." :P

But, 50 mile commute?  Ouch.  Are you still in Boulder and commuting to Denver?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to nominate my 5 minute bike to work as &#8220;the best commute ever.&#8221; <img src='http://www.devinreams.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But, 50 mile commute?  Ouch.  Are you still in Boulder and commuting to Denver?</p>
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